One study examined the communes that popped up in the U.S. in the 1970s and found that secular communities dissolved four times faster than those with a religious focus. Similarly, religious kibbutzim in Israel have been much more successful than secular ones.

In religoius groups, especially small and non-mainstream ones you are generally not free to leave. Even if the menbers are nominally free to leave, there will be intense social pressure to conform. Additionally, groups like the hutterites and amish don't seem to send their kids to regular primary schools, let alone secundary or teriary education. Leaving them unprepared to build a life outside the group except as unskilled manual labor.

There have been series about amish and hutterites, on Discovery IIRC. I found their lifestyles very depressing. No room for learning and growing. No freedom to choose what you want to do or be.

In my opinion, that is too high a price to pay.

Hi All,

I wonder if the same sorts of things are true in 'closed' countries?

I suspect so.

Maybe free direct satellite internet should come sooner than later?

John

I was actually very interested in intentional communities as a teen. I got to know an Old Order Amish family that welcomed me into their home. I visited a number of times and was given an open invitation to move into their home with them. I also spent several visits with a Hutterian Bruderhof on the east coast. They were at that time communally bound with the old Hutterites but have since split. They actually started in early 19th century Germany.

The Bruderhof actually sends all their kids to the local highschool and requires most of them to get college or university educations out in the world so they get a chance to experience and decided for themselves. The Amish allow their children to experiment a lot with the outside world and their English neighbors. Naturally of course they do want their children to eventually settle at home.

Honestly I still miss the level of community those groups offered and wish it was something I was able to give my own children. I miss what little I experienced and grieve on some level how my natural "hermitness" makes it harder for me to form more of a community IN my own community. Then again that was part of why I chose to not pursue a life in those communities. It was simply too much for me. But I very much admire intentional communities. Right now the closest I come is having a rather large group of my own children and living across the street from my parents and spending a lot of time with them.